How are Hinduism and Sikhism related, considering they both originated in Punjab, India?

Wherever I go, I find water and stones.

For many years, I practiced penance and intense meditation at Kaashi;

ਕਬੀਰ ਨਿਰਗੁਣ ਨਾਮ ਨ ਰੋਸੁ ॥

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Sain (a barber)

Bhagat Kabir ji / Raag Sriraag / / Guru Granth Sahib ji - Ang 92

That Kabeer died chanting the Lord's Name. ||5||15||

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Now tell me, Lord, what will my condition be?

ਸੋ ਬ੍ਰਹਮੁ ਬਤਾਇਓ ਗੁਰ ਮਨ ਹੀ ਮਾਹਿ ॥੧॥

ਕੈਸੇ ਬੂਝੈ ਜਬ ਮੋਹਿਆ ਹੈ ਮਾਇਆ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥

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Kabir is the child of Allah and of Ram: He is my Guru, He is my Pir.

I have taken the One Formless Lord into my heart; I humbly worship Him there. ||3||

The young and the old drink milk pudding, but these fools eat the cow's body.

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then who is there to know what happens without?

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ਜਬ ਲਗੁ ਮਨਿ ਬੈਕੁੰਠ ਕੀ ਆਸ ॥

Is it possible for buyers to negotiate after an inspection if the appraisal is lower than expected?

There, where millions of Krishnas stand with hands folded,

ਨਾ ਹਮ ਹਿੰਦੂ ਨ ਮੁਸਲਮਾਨ ॥

I do not perform Hindu worship services, nor do I offer the Muslim prayers.

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Where spring, the lord of seasons reigneth, there the unstruck music sounds of itself,

Where millions of Shivas are lost in contemplation, where millions of Indras dwell in the sky,

Ramananda accepted disciples without discriminating against anyone by gender, class or caste and they included even people from humble origins like

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If God be within the mosque, then to whom does this world belong?

ਜਿਨਿ ਸਕਲ ਬਿਕਲ ਭ੍ਰਮ ਕਾਟੇ ਮੋਰ ॥

Where millions of Vishnus bow their heads, where millions of Brahmas are reading the Vedas,

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With inadequate devotion, how can anyone swim across? ||4||

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From where did the word Maya come? Isn’t it a typical Vedantic concept discussed profoundly in Advaita? It definitely isn’t a concept pioneered by Kabir or even his teacher Ramanandacharya! It is ultimately from Sanatana Dharma!

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ਮੁਆ ਕਬੀਰੁ ਰਮਤ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਰਾਮੈ

At the time of my death, I moved to Magahar. ||2||

I serve the One Lord, and not any other. ||2||

Do you as a gay male enjoy the feeling of getting a penis in your anus?

ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਮੈ ਬਲਿਹਾਰੀ ਤੋਰ ॥

Sikhism is fundamentally rooted in BHAKTI tradition and thus ultimately in Sanatana Dharma. There is no doubt about it despite what modern McSikh acrobatics try to claim otherwise

One Universal Creator God. By The Grace Of The True Guru:

I am not a Hindu, nor am I a Muslim.

You have cut through all my confusion and doubt.

ਕਤ ਜਾਈਐ ਰੇ ਘਰ ਲਾਗੋ ਰੰਗੁ ॥

ਬ੍ਰਹਮ is Brahm i.e the Brahman of vedanta but it gets interpreted as an all-pervading lord god.

ਘਸਿ ਚੰਦਨ ਚੋਆ ਬਹੁ ਸੁਗੰਧ ॥

Let’s see what Gurbani has about Ramanandacharya’s views.

Now here in this verse

Meeting with the Guru, my Spiritual Teacher, I realize God, my Lord and Master. ||5||3||

Says Kabeer, this is what I say:

ਬਹੁਤੁ ਬਰਸ ਤਪੁ ਕੀਆ ਕਾਸੀ ॥

Here ਰਾਮੈ is Rama and not just lord. Kabir died chanting the name of Rama DESPITE him not finding any result of penances done in holy cities in his previous birth. Another example to show how much Kabir valued personal devotion to Rama in his own NIRGUN style.

Where the demi-gods and the munis are unnumbered, where millions of Saraswatis, goddess of music play the vina,

For a superficial McSikh who is interested only in separation and not enlightenment the views of Kabir can be easily shown as a denouncement of Hindu practices.

I am like a fish out of water,

— Kabir, Ramaini 1, Translated by David Lorenzen

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— Kabir, III.2, Translated by Rabindranath Tagore

Sant Kabir was staunchly against cow slaughter.

यस्य देवे परा भक्तिः यथा देवे तथा गुरौ । तस्यैते कथिता ह्यर्थाः प्रकाशन्ते महात्मनः प्रकाशन्ते महात्मन इति ।

Bhakti movement began in South (Tamil Nadu to be precise) and slowly spread to Northern parts of India. This movement was extremely popular because of its simple fundamentals which could be understood by even commonfolk. Vaishnavism, Shaivism etc… were already connecting with commonfolk from a long time and this Bhakti movement reinforced it by making the devotee feel a personal connection with the deity.

Gauree, Kabeer Jee, Panch-Padas:

He who has highest Bhakti of Deva (God), just like his Deva, so for his Guru (teacher),

Let's look at the views of Sant Kabir

ਗੁਰ ਪੀਰ ਮਿਲਿ ਖੁਦਿ ਖਸਮੁ ਪਛਾਨਾ ॥੫॥੩॥

For him Dharma was beyond everything physical including the desire for heaven because was fully into the NIRGUN . The last verse shows that according to him the company of the enlightened Sadhus is heaven which is again a typical teaching of Sanatana Dharma.

We have searched the turaki Dharam (Turk's religion, Islam), these teachers throw many thunderbolts,

Let’s look at the most used verse by McSikhs to show that Sikhs are neither Hindus nor Muslims.

Where should I go? My home is filled with bliss.

From Guru Granth Sahib ji - Ang 1195

ਕਹੁ ਗੁਰ ਗਜ ਸਿਵ ਸਭੁ ਕੋ ਜਾਨੈ ॥

Without looking into one's heart, how can one reach paradise?

ਪੂਰਬ ਜਨਮ ਹਉ ਤਪ ਕਾ ਹੀਨਾ ॥੧॥

ੴ ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਪ੍ਰਸਾਦਿ ॥

Again we see that the originator of this Sant Sampraday himself talks about Brahman even in Gurbani.

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Ramanandacharya was a 14th-century Hindu Vaishnava devotional poet saint who amalgamated Advaita with Vaishnava Bhakti. He was the pioneer in validating NIRGUN and SAGUN Bhakti as parallel paths.

ਮੇਰਾ ਚਿਤੁ ਨ ਚਲੈ ਮਨੁ ਭਇਓ ਪੰਗੁ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥

ਊਹਾਂ ਤਉ ਜਾਈਐ ਜਉ ਈਹਾਂ ਨ ਹੋਇ ॥੨॥

ਰਾਮਾਨੰਦ ਸੁਆਮੀ ਰਮਤ ਬ੍ਰਹਮ ॥

— Kabir, II.57, Translated by Rabindranath Tagore

How can they kill the mother, whose milk they drink like that of a wet nurse?

Because in my previous life, I did not practice penance and intense meditation. ||1||

Hari is in the East, Allah is in the West.

ਤਜੀ ਲੇ ਬਨਾਰਸ ਮਤਿ ਭਈ ਥੋਰੀ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥

ਜਿਉ ਜਲ ਛੋਡਿ ਬਾਹਰਿ ਭਇਓ ਮੀਨਾ ॥

There is a reason why I mention ROOTED and thus NOT implying that it belongs to one of the numerous sects in Sanatana Dharma like Shaivism, Vaishnavism, Shaktism, Smartism etc…

Kabir (a weaver)

Now that my time to die has come, I have come to dwell at Magahar! ||3||

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Says Kabeer, unto whom should I tell this?

CONCLUSION:

How can people understand You, when they are entranced by Maya? ||1|| Pause ||

I am a sacrifice to You, O my True Guru.

I wasted my whole life in the city of Shiva;

He does not dwell at the Lord's Feet. ||3||

There the streams of light flow in all directions, few are the men who can cross to that shore!

Raamaanand's Lord and Master is the All-pervading Lord God.

I would go there, only if the Lord were not here. ||2||

ਗਉੜੀ ਕਬੀਰ ਜੀ ਪੰਚਪਦੇ ॥

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Guru Nanak (right) and Bhai Mardana (foreground) with Bhagat Kabir (left). This painting is found in the B-40 Janamsakhi, written and painted in 1733. The painting was made by Alam Chand Raj

The divergence of Kabir’s views from Vedanta is seen in the fact that he fully opposed religious symbolism of ALL KINDS and not just IDOLS.

ਰਾਮਾਨੰਦ ਸੁਆਮੀ ਰਮਤ ਬ੍ਰਹਮ ॥

As mentioned above Guru Arjan Dev was talking from the perspective Sant Kabir whose views we have discussed much earlier here. We know that Sant Kabir continuing in the Ramanandi Sampradaya went further away from the mainstream ritualistic Hinduism and was journeying more towards a SEAMLESS Dharma.

ਓਛੀ ਭਗਤਿ ਕੈਸੇ ਉਤਰਸਿ ਪਾਰੀ ॥੪॥

So in the same spirit Kabir finds pilgrimages to holy cities futile as his mind is fixated on Rama!

ਹਜ ਕਾਬੈ ਜਾਉ ਨ ਤੀਰਥ ਪੂਜਾ ॥

ਪੂਜਾ ਕਰਉ ਨ ਨਿਵਾਜ ਗੁਜਾਰਉ ॥

ਪੂਜਨ ਚਾਲੀ ਬ੍ਰਹਮ ਠਾਇ ॥

To him who is high-minded, these teachings will be illuminating.

The Sant Sampraday of Sikh panth integrates the warrior spirit of the Nihangs and Khalsa, the service of Seva panth and the renunciation of Udasi/Nirmala saints.

ਸਾਧਸੰਗਤਿ ਬੈਕੁੰਠੈ ਆਹਿ ॥੪॥੧੦॥

ਏਕੋ ਸੇਵੀ ਅਵਰੁ ਨ ਦੂਜਾ ॥੨॥

My consciousness does not go out wandering. My mind has become crippled. ||1|| Pause ||

ਅਬ ਕਹੁ ਰਾਮ ਕਵਨ ਗਤਿ ਮੋਰੀ ॥

Here ਨਿਰਗੁਣ is Nirgun and not just lord. This is just another example to show that Kabir himself continued in the NIRGUN BHAKTI path.

Bhagat Kabir ji / Raag Gauri / / Guru Granth Sahib ji - Ang 326

Sadhna (a Muslim butcher) and

Kaashi and Magahar - I consider them the same.

Ravidas (a chamar shoemaker)

ਏਕ ਨਿਰੰਕਾਰ ਲੇ ਰਿਦੈ ਨਮਸਕਾਰਉ ॥੩॥

Ramanandacharya’s teachings were centered on pure and personal connection with the God Rama and didn’t believe in any kind of formal ritualism. He used the common vernacular language instead of Sanskrit so that everyone could understand.

You are totally pervading and permeating in all.

ਰਾਮਾਨੰਦ ਜੀ ਘਰੁ ੧

Shvetashvatara Upanishad (6.23)

Kabeer: O worthless mortal, do not lose the Naam, the Name of the Lord.

The Word of the Guru's Shabad eradicates the karma of millions of past actions. ||3||1||

I ground up sandalwood, along with several fragrant oils.

If Ram be within the image which you find upon your pilgrimage,

We can see that great saints like Kabir and Ravidas etc… descended from the Ramananda sampradaya which is still the largest ascetic order in India.

As long as the mind is filled with the desire for heaven,

I do not make pilgrimages to Mecca, nor do I worship at Hindu sacred shrines.

The views of Kabir are very much in parallel to the Advaita philosophy and it is obvious that as the disciple of Ramanandacharya he will carry forward with his chosen NIRGUN BHAKTI.

ਬੇਦ ਪੁਰਾਨ ਸਭ ਦੇਖੇ ਜੋਇ ॥

Bhagat Kabir ji / Raag Gauri / / Guru Granth Sahib ji - Ang 325

But we have actually seen how much Kabir is also rooted in the Vedantic concept of “supreme realization” but in a non-mainstream path.

The influence of Kabir is significant on Sikhism. The following Bani from Ang 1136 is attributed to GURU ARJAN DEV but if you observe at the end you can see that he was talking in the spirit of Sant Kabir.

ਗੁਰ ਕਾ ਸਬਦੁ ਕਾਟੈ ਕੋਟਿ ਕਰਮ ॥੩॥੧॥

ਸਗਲ ਜਨਮੁ ਸਿਵ ਪੁਰੀ ਗਵਾਇਆ ॥

Raamaanand's Lord and Master is the All-pervading Lord God.

I am not a Hindu, nor am I a Muslim.

ਜਹਾ ਜਾਈਐ ਤਹ ਜਲ ਪਖਾਨ ॥

ਅਲਹ ਰਾਮ ਕੇ ਪਿੰਡੁ ਪਰਾਨ ॥੪॥

ਕਹੁ ਕਬੀਰ ਇਹ ਕਹੀਐ ਕਾਹਿ ॥

NOW…

Kabir, Ravidas and ultimately the NINE SIKH GURUS are a product of this very Sant Sampraday founded by Ramanandacharya!

I went to God's place, and worshipped Him there.

Recklessly they display boundless pride while explaining their own aims, they kill cows.

Bhagat Kabir ji / Raag Gauri / / Guru Granth Sahib ji - Ang 325

We can understand that Kabir despite being in favor of formless worship was very much embedded in the Dharmik fold but always preached in the spirit of the transcendental nature of Brahman to the point that HE LOST THE DISTINCTION BETWEEN HINDU AND MUSLIM.

ਕਹੁ ਕਬੀਰ ਇਹੁ ਕੀਆ ਵਖਾਨਾ ॥

These morons know nothing, they wander about in ignorance,

ਮੁਆ ਕਬੀਰੁ ਰਮਤ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਰਾਮੈ ॥੫॥੧੫॥

There is my Lord self-revealed, and the scent of sandal and flowers dwells in those deeps.

ਤੂ ਪੂਰਿ ਰਹਿਓ ਹੈ ਸਭ ਸਮਾਨ ॥

Raamaanand Jee, First House:

The Saadh Sangat, the Company of the Holy, is heaven. ||4||10||

ਏਕ ਦਿਵਸ ਮਨ ਭਈ ਉਮੰਗ ॥

One day, a desire welled up in my mind.

ਮਰਨੁ ਭਇਆ ਮਗਹਰ ਕੀ ਬਾਸੀ ॥੩॥

Actually, this part of the Ang 326 is widely used by McSikhs to show that Sikhism considers Hindu pilgrimages as useless and thus drives home the point again that the “religion” has got NOTHING to do with Hinduism.

Says Kabeer, the Guru and Ganaysha and Shiva all know

ਤਬ ਲਗੁ ਹੋਇ ਨਹੀ ਚਰਨ ਨਿਵਾਸੁ ॥੩॥

ਮਰਤੀ ਬਾਰ ਮਗਹਰਿ ਉਠਿ ਆਇਆ ॥੨॥

That God showed me the Guru, within my own mind. ||1||

ਕਾਸੀ ਮਗਹਰ ਸਮ ਬੀਚਾਰੀ ॥

All the men and women of the world are His living forms.

My body and breath of life belong to Allah - to Raam - the God of both. ||4||

Look within your heart, for there you will find both Karim and Ram;

He accepted even women (Sursuri and Padywati) as disciples. Bhagat Pipa and Dhanna were Rajput and Jat who were also his disciples.

Sikhism is a NIRGUN path descending from the Sant Sampraday of Ramanandacharya and traces its ideas to VEDANTA!

ਨਾ ਹਮ ਹਿੰਦੂ ਨ ਮੁਸਲਮਾਨ ॥

I have searched through all the Vedas and the Puraanas.

I left Benares - I had little common sense. ||1|| Pause ||